Episode summary
Is the 60/40 Portfolio Still Fit for Purpose? Yie-Hsin Hung, CEO, State Street Investment Management
Money Maze Podcast
· · 37 min · Guests: Yie-Hsin Hung
Summary
Yie-Hsin Hung argues that the old 60/40 portfolio is less reliable in a world of higher rates and stickier inflation. In her view, bonds no longer have the same return tailwind they enjoyed during decades of falling yields, while equity volatility and rising equity-bond correlations mean investors need other sources of resilience. She says portfolios should add diversifiers such as cash, commodities, gold and private markets, with cash now more attractive because it pays meaningful interest.
Hung also says private markets still matter, but they should be approached with more care than the very large, long-horizon endowments that pioneered heavy allocations. She notes the growth of private credit reflects banks’ reduced willingness to lend, and says private assets can be useful where public markets cannot easily provide exposure, such as AI-linked infrastructure and data centers. Even so, she thinks average investors need liquidity and manager selection discipline, not just bigger private allocations.
On regional allocation, she says State Street is modestly overweight US equities but also likes emerging markets, including Saudi Arabia, India and selectively China. She also sees AI and tokenization as major structural shifts: AI will augment portfolio management, while tokenization and digital wallets will expand access and combine traditional and decentralized assets in a single view.
Key takeaways
- Hung says the 60/40 mix is less effective because bonds no longer have the same return profile and inflation can hurt both stocks and bonds.
- She argues investors should add cash, commodities, gold and private markets as diversifiers and liquidity buffers.
- Hung says private credit grew because banks have been less able to lend, but manager quality and liquidity matter more than ever.
- State Street is modestly overweight US equities and also favors emerging markets, especially Saudi Arabia, India and selectively China.
- She sees AI as an augmentation tool for allocation, trading and reporting, while tokenization is a major portfolio-distribution shift.
Notable quotes
“What investors need is additional diversifiers as well as liquidity buffers”
“There's a real value to having cash in a portfolio today that is actually paying a decent amount of interest”
“the 60/40 portfolio would suggest that it's reasonably balanced. But the issue is because of the volatility and the return on the equity side, it's really heavily weighted in that direction”
“I think there is a place for both human judgment and AI in the investment process”
How the episode opens
What investors need is additional diversifiers as well as liquidity buffers. There's a real value to having cash in a portfolio today that is actually paying a decent amount of interest. But other allocations, whether it's commodities or gold or private markets, they will add to the overall portfolio.
In the US, for example, 85% of all companies with more than 100 million of revenues are privately held. And we all know that the regulatory environment for banks has had them really not be in a position to extend credit. And that's led to the growth in private credit because in some cases, you just can't get the access in the public markets.
to think about AI and the impact on infrastructure and data centers that's difficult to replicate but is only available in the private markets.
A few weeks back we were asked if we'd like to interview State Street Investment Management. After 6 years of building the Money Maze podcast, we're incredibly lucky that we get approached by lots of interesting um organizations and in fact we turned down over 300 approaches last year. Since size is not a requirement to be a guest, we typically do quite a lot of research ahead of a potential interview.
And having been in this business for over four decades, my initial reaction when State Street was mentioned was this was an organization largely in the safekeeping and asset servicing business. Then I went and took a closer look and I'll confess to being surprised and educated to learn that in fact the fourth largest asset manager globally with circus 6 trillion. So updated, re-educated and intrigued as size offers opportunity, but also it can be the enemy of agility, we said yes, please.
So it's a pleasure to welcome Ein here, the CEO of State Streets Investment Management into our offices.
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Topics
- 60/40 portfolio
- global savings gap
- private markets turbulence
- emerging market debt and equity
- tokenisation
Companies and tickers mentioned
- STT
- JPM
- State Street Investment Management
- J.P. Morgan Asset Management
- Bloomberg
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