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The $2 Trillion Risk Investors Can’t See | Prof G Markets
Prof G Markets
· · Hosts: Scott Galloway, Ed Elson · Guests: Steve Eisman
Summary
Steve Eisman argues that the market’s biggest long-term risks are not the current war in Iran or the U.S. deficit, but the combination of AI spending and the growth of private credit. He says the Iran conflict may create short-term volatility in oil and other prices, but he does not expect it to change his investment strategy or damage the global economy over the long run.
On AI, Eisman says the near-term risk is not that demand for Nvidia chips disappears, but that returns on the enormous wave of spending may not justify the valuations. He points to the scale of capital spending by Amazon, Google, Meta, and Microsoft, and suggests a bubble-like outcome is possible even if the underlying technology has value. On private credit, he warns that a $2 trillion market has grown outside the banking system with little transparent data, and that leverage inside private equity-owned life insurers could amplify losses if a credit cycle emerges.
He rejects the idea that politics or deficits are the key market threats, saying markets are amoral and care mainly about earnings, margins, and growth. He also says the biggest difference between 2008 and today is that the subprime crisis had hard data, while many current fears are still narratives without evidence.
Key takeaways
- Steve Eisman says the Iran war is a short-term market issue, not a long-term thesis change, and he does not alter his portfolio by “a single dollar.”
- Eisman sees AI as a valuation and return-on-capital problem: massive spending may not earn enough to justify current prices.
- He calls private credit a $2 trillion risk because most U.S. loan growth since 2008 has moved outside the banking system and data is opaque.
- Eisman says banks are well capitalized and are not the main transmission channel; he is more worried about life insurance companies tied to private equity.
- He argues markets are “amoral” and usually ignore politics unless it hits earnings, margins, or revenue growth.
Notable quotes
“I think the two biggest long-term risks to the market by far are related to AI and related to private equity and private credit”
“Not by a single dollar”
“this is a $2 trillion market. All the growth loan growth in the United States since the great financial crisis has not occurred in the banks”
“The entire financial system of planet earth runs on treasuries”
How the episode opens
Today's number 20. That's the percentage of British people who have come up with a business idea at the pub. True story. I've been reading a lot about the downsides of alcohol, Ed, and I finally decided to do something about it. I've decided to stop reading.
Here's a question. Have you ever come up with a business idea at the pub or at a bar? I feel like you probably have. — God, I've had so many bad business ideas. Is that where you came up with Oddvok?
Oh, you know about Arvar. That's very impressive. — I tried to roast you there. I I can't tell if it landed. — What did you about coming up with a bad business idea at a bar? — That's right. — Well, here's the thing. I'm getting I'm going to New York to get my physical cuz I belong to one of these high-end concierge places where they bring you a Cobb salad before they have some guy stick fingers up your ass and tell you to cough, which is worth 120 grand a year right there.
Oh boy. Oh boy. Anyway, so I'm getting and I know what they're going to say. They're going to come back and say, "Oh, you know, on the whole you're pretty good. You need to drink less." I'm like, "Uh, no, not happening."
I feel like you have been drinking a little bit less. In fact, when you and I got a drink, I noticed you did not get a drink. — Yeah, but you're not worth it. You're not worth it. If you had bigger tits, we would have been partying. By the way, speaking of big tits, I think height in men is the next is the new big tits.
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Topics
- ai and valuations
- private credit risk
- u.s. deficit risk
- tariffs and trade policy
- saas vs oil valuation trade
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