Episode summary
Gold Plunges Below $4,000: Collapse Or Rebound Next? | Derek Macpherson
The David Lin Report
· · 39 min · Hosts: David Lin · Guests: Derek Macpherson
Summary
Derek Macpherson argued that gold’s pullback below $4,000 is happening in a risk-off market, but he does not see the move as evidence that the broader bull case is broken. He pointed to higher rates, a strong U.S. dollar, and choppy equity markets as headwinds, while saying central bank buying has provided a structural bid that can keep gold from breaking down sharply. He also said a resolution in Iran could be one of the few catalysts that would clearly pressure gold lower because it would ease inflation and geopolitical stress.
For miners, Macpherson said the current environment is forcing more discipline. Senior producers are still benefiting from $4,000 gold, but junior explorers need to be more careful with spending and financing. He said the best way to create value remains the drill bit, though portfolio optimization, resource growth, and eventual permitting also matter. For West Point Gold, that means focusing on Gold Chain in Arizona, where he believes high grades and continuity could support a strong maiden resource and future expansion.
Macpherson also outlined a financing story that has improved with success at Gold Chain. He said institutional ownership has risen, the company has funded its current drill program, and warrant exercises are bringing in capital even as they add short-term pressure on the share price. He expects the next two quarters to be driven by the maiden resource, new drill results, updated metallurgy, and initial results from Kinross at Jefferson Canyon.
Key takeaways
- Derek Macpherson said gold’s weakness below $4,000 reflects a risk-off backdrop, but central bank buying is still acting like a structural support bid.
- Macpherson said continued rate increases or a de-escalation in Iran could pressure gold further because both would reduce inflationary and geopolitical support.
- He said junior miners must be more conservative with capital now, even as senior producers continue to print cash at $4,000 gold.
- Macpherson said West Point Gold’s edge is Gold Chain’s higher grades and continuity, which he believes can support a strong maiden resource.
- He said the company has improved its financing position, with institutional ownership rising and warrant exercises adding cash.
- Macpherson said the next major catalysts are the maiden resource, more drill results, updated metallurgy, and early Kinross results at Jefferson Canyon.
Notable quotes
“I think it's importance has increased. Um I think you you didn't necessarily I mean you didn't necessarily need that a hedge against everything”
“I think the the the the short answer is I mean, what we've seen historically, while war is often a um can give the gold gold share price a blip”
“the way the US has acted in the international stage, you're still going to have that underlying that kind of almost a put option from central banks”
“the way that you create the most value in a company is with the drill bit”
How the episode opens
Gold has hit the critical $4,000 an ounce threshold. What is next? Are we about to see a major breakdown as gold has been doing pretty much all year towards $3,000 or is gold bottoming right now?
And importantly, what are the miners doing, thinking, and preparing for? We're going to get an on the ground perspective on not just the mining industry, but the entire gold commodity cycle. Derek McFersonen joins us today.
He is the CEO and president of West Point Gold. Welcome to the show. Good to see you.
Well, thanks for having me, David.
Derek, $4,000 is a psychologically important level. Now, we're not here to forecast prices. Nobody really can do that with 100% certainty, but we like to understand what is happening right now.
So, we can kind of make decisions on our own as investors. $4,000 is pretty low compared to where it was just 10 months ago when it was tracing $5,000. It's very good compared to where it was 2 years ago.
Pretty much doubled. So, it's in this awkward phase where sentiment right now based on what I've observed has been a little bit weak for the gold sector because of where gold was a few months prior, but also very, you know, the gold price has been very high compared to a couple years ago. And so, producers are printing cash flow like never before.
How would you describe this current environment? Well, it's a bit of a riskoff environment. Um, overall, uh, I think there's, you know, and I think that that's what's kind of got the gold price softer.
Um although if you think about it in terms of of what's actually going on in the world um you have sort of markets being a little bit a little bit broader markets being very choppy.
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Topics
- gold price movement
- inflation and interest rates
- central bank gold buying
- gold mining financing
- mining project economics
Companies and tickers mentioned
- WPGCF
- West Point Gold
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