Episode summary
Is Bitcoin Still 'Digital Gold'? How Investors See It Now | WSJ's Take On the Week
Summary
Bitcoin no longer trades like “digital gold,” according to Marion Laboure of Deutsche Bank. She argued that gold has been the stronger safe haven because central banks, especially the BRICS, have been buying it while Bitcoin’s 2025 performance has lagged and its price has been driven in part by “wishful thinking” rather than fundamentals.
Laboure drew a sharp line between Bitcoin and stablecoins. She said Bitcoin is too volatile to function as money or a means of payment, while stablecoins, especially those pegged one-to-one to the U.S. dollar, can work as privately issued money for payments and store of value use cases. She also said most stablecoin activity is still tied to crypto trading rather than retail payments.
The hosts linked that debate to regulation, arguing that the proposed Clarity Act and the existing Genius Act could shape whether crypto gets a clearer legal framework. Laboure said clearer rules in the U.S., like MiCA in Europe, should help adoption over time, but she framed Bitcoin as a maturing speculative asset, not a currency or safe haven.
Key takeaways
- Marion Laboure said Bitcoin can no longer be described as digital gold because gold outperformed it in 2025 and drew support from central-bank buying.
- Laboure said Bitcoin is too volatile to function as a currency, while stablecoins pegged to the dollar can serve as privately issued money.
- Laboure said more than 80% of stablecoin activity is still used for crypto trading, not retail payments.
- Laboure said Bitcoin’s late-2025 valuation was driven partly by “wishful thinking,” not only fundamentals.
- Laboure said clearer regulation under the Clarity Act could support crypto adoption by giving the market more legal certainty.
Notable quotes
“Bitcoin was down by over 6% in 2025”
“I don't see Bitcoin as a mean of payment. I don't see Bitcoin as a currency. I don't see Bitcoin as money”
“we have over 80% of stable coins which are used for crypto trading”
How the episode opens
When we look at this uh at the value of Bitcoin, I still think part of the valuations we had uh especially end of last year when we were around $120,000 uh it was based on some uh fundamental factors. Uh and it was also partly based on wishful thinking. the fact that people uh still expect the price to be higher. They continue to uh to increase uh the exposure to Bitcoin, but it's based on nothing.
Hi, Dallas. — Hi, Miriam. — So, today's show is interesting because we're going to be talking about an asset that many have considered in the past to be a safe haven asset, and that's Bitcoin. And I think that's appropriate because we've had a lot of geopolitical turmoil uh this past week. No better time for safe havens than with what's going on these days.
But is Bitcoin a safe haven? That's something that we will discuss later in the show.
Yeah, it's a super interesting question. Um, but of course, what's right now kind of occupying everybody's minds in the market, uh, probably will be for the next couple of weeks if timelines play out as expected is Operation Epic Fury, the US's strikes on Iran, and the resulting kind of fallout throughout the Middle East region. So off the bat, uh stocks have not had, I would say, overall an enormous reaction thus far.
There were some up days, some down days. Um and surprisingly, that's actually what you would expect based on prior kind of geopolitical events.
Yeah, it's really interesting. Um analysts at Morgan Stanley looked at a long uh series of prior geo geopolitical events, the start of various conflicts and actually while there is volatility in the short term in after you know one months, 3 months,
Uh 6 months, 12 months, you see stocks are usually up after these conflicts.
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Topics
- bitcoin vs gold
- oil prices and inflation
- fed rate cuts
- enterprise software earnings
- stablecoin regulation
Companies and tickers mentioned
- DB
- ORCL
- ADBE
- Deutsche Bank
- Oracle
- Adobe
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