Episode summary
Why Apollo’s CEO is Betting Billions on a 'Global Industrial Renaissance' | WSJ Leadership Institute
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· · Hosts: Alan Murray · Guests: Marc Rowan
Summary
Marc Rowan argues that Apollo is positioned for a “global industrial renaissance” driven by AI, data centers, energy infrastructure, defense and reindustrialization. He says the scale of investment is so large that traditional bank lending and public markets cannot fully finance it, especially because these projects are long-dated, complex and often require project finance rather than simple corporate borrowing.
He frames Apollo’s opportunity as matching two needs: companies that need capital for massive infrastructure build-outs and savers that need retirement income. Rowan says Apollo sits between those pools through insurance and asset management, and that its scale now reflects a broader shift away from public markets toward private capital. He also argues that private credit can be safer than many people assume when it is secured by assets and backed by strong counterparties.
Rowan says Apollo’s culture is built on “principal mentality,” clean-sheet thinking and an emphasis on judgment over hierarchy. He traces that mindset to his early career at Drexel and says the firm’s goal is to keep “playing to win” even as its business model keeps changing.
Key takeaways
- Rowan says Apollo now has about $1.1 trillion in assets under management, while private equity is only about 8% of the business.
- He expects $50 billion to $75 billion of Apollo’s $400 billion to $500 billion in annual origination to go into energy.
- Rowan argues that project finance for data centers and energy is moving from banks to private credit because the deals are long-dated, complex and too large for traditional lenders.
- He says the current boom is being driven by shortages in energy, chips and compute, but the eventual return on data centers will depend on the price of compute.
- Rowan says Apollo’s edge comes from being both a principal and an asset manager, with half of its $1.1 trillion managed for clients and half on its own balance sheet.
Notable quotes
“You are definitionally safer. And you are You need to be safer because what you are doing is providing concentrated amounts of capital”
“The days of tapping into the grid are over”
“We are intellectually insubordinate which I distinguish from actual insubordination. Best idea wins”
How the episode opens
In the world, we are building everything, everywhere, all at once. Energy, energy pipelines, energy transmission, energy transition, next-gen manufacturing, defense, infrastructure, oh, and this AI and data thing, too. And the scale of what's being invested is beyond anything we can imagine.
You run a increasingly large financial institution. Retirement savings, private credit, private equity. This is an energy conference. Why are you here? — I'm sorry, I'm in the wrong place. No, if you Look, if you look at this this scale of our business today, we are approximately a trillion one of assets under management. The business that most people associate with us, the private equity business, is about 8% of that.
8%
8% of that. And it doesn't mean it's not an important business, but it's not the driver of our business. If you look at the driver of our business today, it is what we sometimes call the global industrial renaissance.
In the world, we are building everything, everywhere, all at once. Energy, energy pipelines, energy transmission, energy transition, next-gen manufacturing, defense, infrastructure, oh, and this AI and data thing, too. And the scale of what's being invested is beyond anything we can imagine.
And how much of everything, everywhere, all at once is energy? — Energy's a big part of it, because energy is the underpinning of AI and data. Energy is the underpinning of industrialization, reindustrialization. Energy is the underpinning of movement to EV. I mean, the charts that you and I have been discussing show numbers required for investments in energy that would be every dollar since the invention of fire. And what
We've got By the way, we have those numbers. Can you can uh you put that chart up on the screen, please, so people can see it?
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Topics
- ai infrastructure demand
- data centers and power
- energy and chips shortages
- private credit project finance
- corporate culture and leadership
Companies and tickers mentioned
- APO
- Apollo Global Management
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