Episode summary
Chris Whalen: Double-Digit Inflation, Falling Home Prices & a Fed Forced to Hike
The Julia La Roche Show
· · Hosts: Julia La Roche · Guests: Chris Whalen
Summary
Chris Whalen argues that affordability, especially gasoline and diesel prices, is the dominant political and market risk. He says Trump’s proposed $5,000 cash dividend is “bread and circuses,” and he expects high fuel costs tied to the war with Iran to keep pressure on consumers, fuel a possible House swing toward Democrats, and keep inflation politically toxic. He also says inflation is already running at a double-digit pace in the real economy and that the September PPI reading signals more price pressure ahead.
On monetary policy, Whalen says the Fed may be forced to raise rates again, possibly before the midterms, because energy-driven inflation is feeding through the system. He is skeptical of claims that the problem is transitory and argues the Fed can only slow demand, not fix supply shocks in energy, trucking, food, and fertilizers.
At the Mortgage Bankers Association meeting, Whalen heard broad expectations for softer home prices, with Stan Middleman seeing declines of 5% to 10% over the next three years. He says construction costs are creating a floor under existing homes even as layoffs hit mortgage lenders and realtors, and he sees bank earnings, low-coupon COVID mortgages, and the AI trade all pointing toward a broader market reset.
Key takeaways
- Whalen says affordability, led by gasoline and diesel, is the main political issue and could drive a major House swing to Democrats.
- Whalen expects the Fed may have to hike again, even before the midterms, because energy prices are feeding inflation.
- Whalen says the September PPI was the highest since late 2022 and supports his view that the economy is on a double-digit inflation path.
- Whalen says home prices are likely to soften 5% to 10% over the next three years, though local markets will diverge sharply.
- Whalen argues AI stocks reflect “circular finance” and expects the sector to keep trading off as valuations reset.
Notable quotes
“I got to spend some time with Stan Middleman from Freedom and he said we're going to see lower prices”
How the episode opens
Here in the US, inflation's up, depending on how you measure it, something like 20% in the last 12 months. That's not something that people are going to accept. And so when you look at the polls, affordability is number one, the economy is number two, and then third is Trump's handling of the economy, which I don't think is particularly good.
So that's kind of where we are. Hey everyone, welcome back to this week's episode of The Rap with Chris Whan where we break down what's happening on Wall Street, Washington DC, and everywhere in between. Chris, great to see you.
Nice to see you, Julia. Another fun week, eh? — Another fun week and a special treat because the rap newsletter part of the show is back. you had a special edition out this week which is a nice surprise um titled Trump promises dividends, inflation rises, and home prices slump.
Yeah, those are the headlines this week. I'll tell you
Those are the headlines. All right, we got to kick things off. Let's start with um I guess what you began the note with, which was flagging Trump's $5,000 cash dividend promise, of course, contingent upon Republicans holding both chambers.
And I'm curious like how do you kind of think about this? Uh what does this signal to you? Um, and how do you kind of square it with the the affordability crisis everyone has been talking about, which has become a big midterm issue?
Well, the the headline I put next to the item was bread and circuses, which is, you know, a reference to Roman emperors giving away free bread and holding gladiatorial games to keep the mob of Rome happy. But it also reminded me of of my work in Latin America and Mexico particularly.
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Topics
- double-digit inflation
- fed rate hikes
- housing price reset
- mortgage lender layoffs
- ai reset
Companies and tickers mentioned
- UWMC
- JPM
- BAC
- NLY
- United Wholesale Mortgage
- JPMorgan Chase
- Bank of America
- Annaly Capital Management
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