Episode summary
David Rosenberg: The Fed Is Going to Trip, Recession Odds Now Above 50%
The Julia La Roche Show
· · Hosts: Julia La Roche · Guests: David Rosenberg
Summary
David Rosenberg argues that both markets and the economy are living through a late-cycle bubble phase, with extreme concentration in stocks, stretched valuations, and a fragile macro backdrop. He says 10 stocks now make up over 40% of market cap while the median stock is down nearly 20%, and he thinks the S&P 500 bull market has likely already ended even if the headline averages still look strong.
On the economy, he says growth is being artificially held up by AI-related capital spending, stock-market wealth effects, and a falling savings rate, while real disposable income and hiring are weak. He contrasts today’s roughly 2% GDP growth with the stronger, broader expansion of the late 1990s and warns that the current “no hire, no fire” environment is not a real boom. He also says the Fed is risking a policy mistake by tightening into a supply shock with a flat yield curve and soft labor-market data.
His base case is not an immediate crash but a sharper growth slowdown, with recession odds now above 50-50 for 2027. Rosenberg recommends de-risking rather than going to cash entirely: rotate away from the S&P 500 toward Treasuries, favor the 2-year and 10-year notes, and add defensive areas like utilities, healthcare, REITs, gold, and some cash.
Key takeaways
- Rosenberg says the market is in "extra innings" and the broad bull market is likely over even though the headline indexes remain near highs.
- He argues that AI capex is propping up GDP while other business investment and construction remain negative, leaving the economy vulnerable.
- Rosenberg says the Fed is tightening into a supply shock with a very flat yield curve and could "trip" into a policy mistake.
- He puts recession odds above 50-50 for 2027, or at minimum expects a significant growth turndown.
- He prefers Treasuries over the S&P 500 right now and says the 10-year note looks attractive on a total-return basis if yields fall.
- He favors defensive exposure such as utilities, healthcare, REITs, gold, and some cash to preserve capital.
Notable quotes
“I think that you got to manage your portfolio with a mind towards protecting your capital, preserving what you have made”
“10 stocks accounting for over 40% of the market cap. uh we're still within striking distance of the all-time highs”
“this AI boom that's consumed everybody's thoughts and imagination and the narrative, it is sucking the vitality and resources of out of other parts of the economy”
“I do believe we are in a bubble and I'm not the only one”
“I think the Fed is going to trip”
How the episode opens
I think that you got to manage your portfolio with a mind towards protecting your capital, preserving what you have made. It doesn't mean you have to sell all your equities. I don't believe in zero or 100.
I would suggest which I've been doing is making an allocation away from the S&P 500 towards treasuries. Hey everyone, welcome back to another special instudio episode of the Julia Larose show where we are joined today by David Rosenberg, founder and president of Rosenberg Research, author of Bear in the Bull Ring: How Independent Thinking Protects Your Money and Improves Your Life. Dave, so great to see you.
Thank you so much for being here.
Well, Julia, thanks for having me in and uh doing it live. — I love doing it live. — We have to do more of these. It's better live than virtual. — I agree. And I think it's been like seven years or so since uh
That's right. It was when we did our first interview together, it was a live event. Uh it was you and the I guess the battle of the Davids because it was David Zervos and David Rosenberg debating. — Yeah. And uh when I ask people till this day that were there, do you remember what it was I said? Uh they say not a word. And I say well that's people I warmed to the most or those with short memories.
That's funny. Oh, Dave, it's been a while since we've even had you on the podcast. And I would love to get your updated view on where we are in the economy. Let's throw markets in there as well. More of the big picture, macro view for you today. Um, what's been on your radar of late?
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Topics
- fed policy mistake
- recession odds
- ai-driven bubble
- treasury curve
- de-risking strategy
Companies and tickers mentioned
- ORCL
- Rosenberg Research
- Oracle
- CoreWeave
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