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Beyond The Mag 7 – Positioning For Earnings Peaking and Yields Rising – Liz Ann Sonders
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Summary
Liz Ann Sonders argues that the recent rise in global bond yields is not, by itself, a problem for equities as long as the move remains orderly. She says the U.S. 10-year Treasury around 4.8% is near an important psychological zone, with 5% the next level to watch, and sees the bigger issue as whether the speed of the move triggers volatility rather than the level alone. She also frames the current period as a shift away from the old 60/40-friendly “great moderation” toward a more temperamental regime in which stocks and bonds can move in opposite directions.
On policy, she thinks Kevin Warsh would remain hawkish if elevated to the Fed and expects a 25 basis point hike soon. In her view, the Fed matters more than Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, and the key question for markets is whether any hiking cycle is slow enough to support equities or fast enough to hurt them. She also says the market has become used to buy-the-dip behavior, but that the next phase depends on how aggressively inflation and growth data evolve.
Sonders is constructive on U.S. equities but expects more rotation rather than a broad, straight-line advance. She warns that the AI trade is still concentrated in a few mega-cap names, with Nvidia, Micron and Broadcom driving a large share of expected S&P 500 earnings growth, even as broader market breadth has improved. Her preferred approach is to stay invested, rebalance, and avoid concentration and short-term speculation.
Key takeaways
- Liz Ann Sonders says a 5% U.S. 10-year yield is a key psychological level, but the market reaction depends more on speed and volatility than the level alone.
- She expects Kevin Warsh to keep hawkish inflation-fighting credibility and thinks the Fed, not Treasury, will matter more for markets.
- Sonders says a 25 basis point hike is her best guess and argues that slow hiking cycles have historically been far better for stocks than fast ones.
- She believes the AI earnings story remains powerful but highly concentrated, with Nvidia and Micron alone a large share of expected 2026 S&P 500 earnings growth.
- Her base case is continued sector rotation, not a broad market collapse, with financials, industrials and materials more favored than utilities and real estate.
How the episode opens
But I think the combination of the Nvidias, the microns, the Broadcoms of the world, they do continue to bring forth numbers that we're looking for, the capex spend numbers that we're looking for. It's hard to extrapolate that with an infinity sign and at some point there's going to be some sort of miss. At some point, it becomes math where the the base effects work to the disadvantage of the growth rate in in earnings.
I'm not sure we're at some imminent inflection point here, but I think we have to start thinking about the point at which growth starts to slow, particularly earnings growth, and how that feeds into the bigger picture uh backdrop. So, caveat, I I've known Kevin Worsh for 23 years. He has always been seen as on the more hawkish end of the the spectrum.
I don't worry
Um about some give up of those inflation fighting credentials. My best guess is that they're going to pike rates 25 basis points. Ultimately, I think what matters in terms of the equity market is the speed of of any Fed moves.
Are they going to take the escalator or are they going to take the elevator is uh historically has been a key determinant of how well the market does. Welcome to the Master Investor podcast with me, Wilfred Frost, where we celebrate and learn from the success of the greatest investors, business leaders, and politicians in the world, giving you, our listeners, the edge. The Master Investor podcast is sponsored by Else, Interactive Brokers, the World Gold Council, and BMY Investments.
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Topics
- rising bond yields
- fed vs treasury
- mag7 earnings concentration
- ai earnings growth
- equity rotation and valuations
Companies and tickers mentioned
- SCHW
- Charles Schwab
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