Episode summary
Bitcoin Loans Are Coming For Your Mortgage
Summary
Figure’s business is built around making consumer lending faster, cheaper, and more standardized, with home equity and mortgage products as the core use case. Michael Tannenbaum argued that rising home prices and higher rates have trapped homeowners in low-rate mortgages, pushing more people toward home equity lines of credit and debt consolidation rather than refinancing or moving. He said Figure’s model cuts the average mortgage process from about 45 days to 9 days and reduces origination costs from an industry average of $12,000 to about $1,000 by removing third parties and using models instead of traditional underwriters and appraisers.
He also framed Figure as a blockchain-native capital markets platform rather than a consumer crypto brand. Tannenbaum said blockchain reduces diligence costs, helps prevent fraud, and lets investors and funding partners trust standardized loan data on chain. He expects the company to expand beyond mortgages into investor mortgages, auto lending, personal loans, and small business lending, with AI helping standardize closed loans and improve conversion.
On the investment side, Tannenbaum said Figure is growing at a “Rule of 150” pace because it has broken the usual trade-off between growth and margin. He said the company earns fees when loans are sold and over the life of servicing, and that its 500 partners help drive scale without Figure shouldering all the customer acquisition cost.
Key takeaways
- Tannenbaum said Figure’s mortgage process averages 9 days versus 45 days industry-wide, with costs around $1,000 versus a $12,000 industry average.
- He argued that high rates and high home prices have increased demand for home equity products and debt consolidation.
- Tannenbaum said blockchain cuts 80% of third-party diligence review costs and helps prevent double pledging or double selling of loans.
- He said Figure’s marketplace model lets 500 partners fund growth, supporting a “Rule of 150” profile with both revenue and EBITDA expanding quickly.
- Tannenbaum expects Figure to expand from HELOCs and mortgages into investor mortgages, auto, personal loans, and small business lending.
- He said the company’s crypto-backed loan product has not lost money because Bitcoin and Ethereum collateral can be liquidated quickly.
Notable quotes
“We've never lost money in in that product because of how quickly Bitcoin in particular or Ethereum you you can liquidate the loan”
“the average mortgage process is around 45 days. Our actual average time is nine and that includes a governmentmandated 3-day waiting period”
“We've cut 80% of the cost of third party diligence review doing that”
“We are far and away the market leader from a technology standpoint. We do almost two billion of this a month”
Topics
- housing affordability
- mortgage lending
- tokenization
- crypto-backed bitcoin loans
- data and ai for lending
Companies and tickers mentioned
- FIGR
- Figure
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