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"We've Been Handed a Way to Deter China" — Timothy Snyder on Ukraine and Taiwan

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Summary

Timothy Snyder argues that Ukraine’s battlefield success matters far beyond Europe because it changes China’s calculation on Taiwan. He says every Ukrainian victory makes a hot war against Taiwan less likely by showing that a small, technologically capable force can resist a larger adversary, and that the U.S. has effectively been handed a way to deter China without fighting that war directly.

He also says Russia’s nuclear blackmail is teaching the wrong lesson: if nuclear powers can invade non-nuclear states and still win, more middle powers will seek nuclear weapons of their own. Snyder says Ukraine’s original disarmament under the Budapest memorandum now looks like a warning to other states that safety guarantees may fail, which could worsen global proliferation.

On U.S. policy, Snyder argues the Trump administration has weakened Ukraine by cutting aid, giving diplomacy to non-professionals, and diverting munitions to the Iran conflict. He says those weapons were spent “utterly pointlessly” and could have changed the war in Ukraine. He is also sharply skeptical of Witkoff and Kushner as peace brokers, saying they cannot articulate Ukrainian interests and do not command trust because they approach the conflict in transactional terms.

Key takeaways

  • Snyder says Ukrainian military success is a direct deterrent to a Chinese invasion of Taiwan because it demonstrates how hard offensive war is against a capable defender.
  • He argues that letting Russia win while using nuclear threats rewards nuclear blackmail and may push more middle powers to seek their own nuclear weapons.
  • Snyder says U.S. aid cuts and the Iran war have materially hurt Ukraine, including by consuming munitions that could have shifted the battlefield there.
  • He says Witkoff and Kushner lack the trust and vocabulary to broker peace because they cannot clearly state Ukrainian interests.
  • Snyder argues the broader strategic lesson is that helping Ukraine defend itself also protects the international legal order against aggression.

Notable quotes

“every any any small victory by Ukraine against Russia decreases the likelihood of a CCP attempting a hot war, an invasion of of Taiwan”

— Timothy Snyder at 1:30

“the Iran war in the first 10 or 12 days we spent munitions I'm sad to say it but utterly pointlessly which would have won the war for Ukraine”

— Timothy Snyder at 8:14

“If you allow a nuclear state to win a war against the non-nuclear state, and you give in to nuclear blackmail”

— Timothy Snyder at 3:27

“they're totally unable to articulate what the Ukrainian interest might be in preserving Ukrainian life, in preserving Ukrainian livelihood, in preserving Ukrainian freedom”

— Timothy Snyder at 15:41

Topics

  • ukraine aid
  • china taiwan deterrence
  • russia nuclear blackmail
  • middle power strategy
  • iran munitions vs ukraine

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