Episode summary
"Freight Data Doesn't Lie": Consumer About To Roll Over | Craig Fuller
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· · Hosts: Wolf Richter, Adam · Guests: Craig Fuller
Summary
Craig Fuller says freight data is flashing a split economy: consumer goods movement is weakening while industrial shipping remains strong. He argues freight is a leading indicator and that the consumer side is now the main concern, with lower volumes in food and beverage, housing-related freight, and other discretionary categories even if nominal spending still looks resilient.
He ties the consumer slowdown to several forces at once: weaker population growth and immigration, SNAP restrictions on unhealthy purchases, shrinkflation, and especially GLP-1 adoption, which he says is reducing food consumption and shifting spending toward apparel. Housing is a major drag as well, with weaker starts, fading remodeling demand, and overbuilt multifamily supply creating incentive pressure and possible debt stress.
On the industrial side, Fuller says the opposite story is playing out. He sees a powerful capex boom led by AI data centers, supported by cheap U.S. energy, defense spending, and reshoring. He argues freight tied to that buildout is still expanding and sees no data yet that the AI investment cycle is slowing, with railroads, power infrastructure, and industrial suppliers all benefiting.
Key takeaways
- Fuller says freight data shows consumer goods volumes slowing even as industrial freight remains robust, making this a split economy.
- He argues food and beverage freight is weakening because of population trends, SNAP changes, shrinkflation, and GLP-1 use, not just because of price changes.
- Housing-related freight is still deteriorating, with weaker remodeling and multifamily oversupply adding pressure to transportation demand.
- Fuller says AI data center capex is still accelerating and is a major driver of U.S. industrial activity and freight demand.
- He believes cheap U.S. energy and defense spending are supporting reindustrialization more than tariffs are.
Notable quotes
“the consumer appears to be slowing consumption in consumer activities and consumer categories is slowing and we know that because freight data doesn't lie”
“the consumer categories are not robust and have slowed while the industrial categories are actually expanding”
“Food and beverage is actually a pretty big lagard right now is the food and beverage sector is seeing a pretty sharp slowdown in consumption”
“there is nothing that I can tell in the data and the freight data is usually six months before the broader uh government data that suggests that there's any slowdown in any of the capex spending”
How the episode opens
And and then look at the end of the day there is nothing that I can tell in the data and the freight data is usually six months before the broader uh government data that suggests that there's any slowdown in any of the capex spending that is appears to be on the horizon. And so nothing in the data that suggests that this party is not going to continue. Welcome to Thoughtful Money.
I'm Thoughtful Money founder and your host, Adam Tagert. Today we have a very special discussion. We're talking with Craig Fuller, CEO of Freight Waves, the world's leading provider on data to the transportation industry.
Craig's been on a a number of times before and and really did one of the biggest like 180s I've seen over the time I've talked with him where he was really depressed for a while about what was happening in the economy. And then last time we talked, he was really optimistic seeing a really big rebound in domestic manufacturing. So Craig, super interested in seeing where you are today.
Um, on the despondent to euphoric scale, where where are you these days?
Oh, this is a good one. I'm lukewarm. So, the interesting thing is, um, you know, oftentimes I get confused to be an ideologue because I can be bullish or bearish and people sort of look at things through their own political lens or their own sort of biases. Um, we look at the data and we look at the freight data and it sort of tells us where things are at.
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Topics
- ai capex
- consumer spending slowdown
- freight data
- glp-1 impact
- shipping and trucking constraints
Companies and tickers mentioned
- FreightWaves
- New Harbor Financial
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