Episode summary
How Does PaperTrade Offer 1,000x Leverage With No Fees?
Summary
PaperTrade is a fully onchain, high-leverage trading venue on HyperEVM that lets users trade only Bitcoin and ETH with up to 1,000x leverage, while avoiding traditional order-book mechanics. Jason Pagoulatos says the platform takes the other side of each trade against a house pool, which is why it can advertise no funding rate, no slippage, and effectively no fees. Losses fund the pool, and losing traders mint PAPER as a rebate token that can later be staked for USDC yield.
Pagoulatos compares the model to old bucket shops and says the launch was intentionally framed around the prior year’s liquidation event, when traders were suddenly wiped out. He says the economics also create queue risk: if the pool runs short, profitable traders may have to wait until enough losses arrive to pay them out. That structure helped PaperTrade draw about $140 million in pre-deposits and later pay out tens of millions to PAPER holders.
The conversation then turns to what broke after launch. Pagoulatos says HyperEVM’s throughput caused close-position queues, and he describes a more serious problem: traders could move the underlying Hyperliquid price feed with large orders and affect PaperTrade’s settlement prices. He says the team responded by manually locking positions on the first day and later changed several rules retroactively.
Key takeaways
- Jason Pagoulatos says PaperTrade is basically a house-bet market: traders face a single LP pool instead of an order book, which is how it offers no fees, no slippage and 1,000x leverage.
- Pagoulatos says losses fund the pool and mint PAPER as a rebate, while winners can get stuck waiting in a payout queue if the pool runs dry.
- He says the platform’s design makes it vulnerable to price-feed manipulation because PaperTrade prices track Hyperliquid’s midpoint.
- Pagoulatos says launch-day queueing on HyperEVM slowed closing trades enough that users could be liquidated before exits cleared.
- He says the team had to manually lock positions after a trader moved ETH around on Hyperliquid and distorted PaperTrade’s price feed.
Notable quotes
“it essentially lets traders take these massive leverage trades, but mostly gamles, right? Uh, up to 1,000x leverage”
“you're placing trades against the house. The house takes the other side of it. Um, and because of that, it essentially allows there to be uh no funding rates, no fees”
“the easiest way to kind of think about it is if people who who are watching have have been around for a little bit like uh if you think back to rollit it's very similar”
“there's always going to be an incentive for somebody to try to gain the market or use the rules that you put in place to profit”
Topics
- papertrade 1000x leverage
- paper token rebates
- crypto market microstructure
- hyperevm execution delays
- price feed manipulation
Companies and tickers mentioned
- PaperTrade
- Delphi Research
- HyperEVM
- Hyperliquid
Watch the episode
Watch “How Does PaperTrade Offer 1,000x Leverage With No Fees?” on YouTube
Summary, takeaways and quote selection by Octagon. Quotes are short excerpts; the full conversation is in the episode.
More from Unchained
-
Should Ethereum Tax Its Apps to Prove Its Security Is Worth It? -
Ledger and the Metadata Your Hardware Wallet Sends After You Sign - Uneasy Money -
How Institutions Are Thinking About Crypto in an Era of Record Hacks -
Is Ethereum's $240 Billion Market Cap Justified With Only $6 Million in Monthly Fees? -
Jeff Dorman: Why ETH as a Store of Value Doesn't Add Up -
Should Vitalik Leave the Ethereum Pitch to Others? - Uneasy Money
Unchained, this episode and its artwork belong to Laura Shin. Octagon is not affiliated with the show; this page is an independent summary.