Episode summary

Should Ethereum Tax Its Apps Like a Nation? Arca's Jeff Dorman Says It Has To

Unchained · · Hosts: Laura Shin · Guests: Jeff Dorman

Should Ethereum Tax Its Apps Like a Nation? Arca's Jeff Dorman Says It Has To – Unchained

Summary

Jeff Dorman argues that Vitalik Buterin is right that optimizing ETH purely as a fee-burning asset would push Ethereum toward behaving like a stock. But he says the opposite extreme is also a problem: if Ethereum is meant to function like a networked nation, it still needs some way to capture value from the applications and activity built on top of it.

Dorman uses a closed-island analogy to say a currency only becomes meaningfully valuable when the underlying economy is taxed. In his view, Ethereum and other blockchains currently do not tax the applications using their ecosystems, so the native token has no clear claim on the value created there. He says that if users can move fluidly across hundreds of blockchains, there is no durable closed system where one chain’s currency can accumulate that kind of economic power.

He also pushes back on the idea that ETH’s value can be justified simply by its role as a payment token inside the network. The broader point is that if Ethereum does not capture some economic rent from the activity it hosts, then it is hard to explain why its native currency should appreciate beyond speculative demand.

Key takeaways

  • Jeff Dorman agrees that optimizing ETH mainly for fee burn would make it look more like a stock than a neutral blockchain asset.
  • Dorman says blockchains are better thought of as nations than businesses, but nations still need tax receipts to create durable value.
  • He argues Ethereum does not tax the applications on it, so ETH lacks a built-in claim on the value created by network activity.
  • Dorman expects users and projects to keep moving across many chains, which makes a single closed Ethereum economy unlikely.
  • Without some form of value capture from apps, Dorman says the native currency is hard to justify as anything other than speculative.

Notable quotes

“If you if you start to only focus on fee generation, then yeah, you basically become a stock, right”

— Jeff Dorman at 1:18

“the best way to think about it is to think about like what if you were in some sort of a closed nation, right”

— Jeff Dorman at 1:45

“They don't tax the applications. Right? So, if you're just going to create this this island and you're going to say we have the currency that can be used on that island”

— Jeff Dorman at 3:46

“the only way that that currency will have greater price appreciation is if you start to take a tax on the businesses on there”

— Jeff Dorman at 5:23

“I just don't understand how the native currency can be viewed as as anything other than a business”

— Jeff Dorman at 6:26

Topics

  • ethereum fee burn
  • ethereum store of value
  • ethereum economics
  • crypto taxation metaphor
  • arca investment perspective

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • Arca

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