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Why the Theft of $100 Million From Ledgers Took 'Months of Research and Development'

Unchained · · Hosts: Laura Shin · Guests: Mark Karpelès, Jonty

Why the Theft of $100 Million From Ledgers Took 'Months of Research and Development' – Unchained

Summary

Ledger hardware wallets sold through authorized resellers in Southeast Asia were allegedly compromised by hidden implants that captured 24-word seed phrases during setup and transmitted them over a mobile connection. The host and guests said the thefts appear to have been in development for months, with evidence of smaller drains as early as September 8 and a bigger wave on October 9 that drew wider attention.

A guest from a crypto security incident-response group said victim reports first revealed the pattern, and on-chain analysis showed the stolen funds were larger than the amounts initially reported, suggesting more victims than the ones who came forward. Another guest described the technical design of the implant: a board inserted into the wallet, monitoring the screen, recording each seed word, and sending the data out through an eSIM.

The discussion focused on whether CryptoBilis, the reseller most associated with the wave, was the source of the compromise. The guests said that remains unconfirmed, especially because other authorized resellers in Southeast Asia also appear to have sold tampered devices, including a Ledger Flex bought in Singapore. They argued the attack likely involved a sophisticated supply-chain operation requiring significant research, testing, and funding.

Key takeaways

  • A guest said the stolen Ledger funds now appear to exceed $100 million, and the initial victim reports understated the scale.
  • The implant allegedly copied seed phrases word by word during setup and exfiltrated them through a mobile modem or eSIM.
  • The host noted CryptoBilis was an authorized Ledger reseller across Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, which made the supply-chain compromise especially serious.
  • A guest said evidence of earlier drains exists, with the earliest known case on September 8 and a larger wave on October 9.
  • The guests said the attack looks like months of research and development, not a simple one-off hardware tampering job.

Notable quotes

“An estimated $100 million or more has been stolen from Ledger hardware wallets purchased from a reseller in Southeast Asia known as Crypto Billies”

— A speaker on Unchained at 0:11

“So as you see the words and write these on paper uh the implant will also be uh watching, taking note of uh every single word”

— A speaker on Unchained at 3:30

“And as you reach uh the end, which is 24 words, the implant will be sending the your password basically uh to the attacker”

— A speaker on Unchained at 3:40

“it actually looks as though that uh whoever is is responsible for these hacks uh has has drained cryptocurrency previously”

— A speaker on Unchained at 8:31

“the technology that's behind this clearly, uh, is not something that just came, uh, from a Zero which they spent months of research and development building this”

— A speaker on Unchained at 13:41

Topics

  • ledger wallet hack
  • seed phrase theft
  • supply chain compromise
  • esim exfiltration
  • crypto investor security

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • Ledger
  • CryptoBilis
  • SEAL 911
  • Pangolin Intelligence
  • Karpelès Lab
  • Metapod

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