Episode summary
How the Debt Problem is Fueling the Gold Market
Wall Street Week
· · 14 min · Guests: Robin Brooks
Summary
The guest said the Atlanta Fed district still looks resilient despite widespread caution, with businesses and households adapting to tariff uncertainty rather than expecting the worst. He described sentiment as “cautious optimism” and argued that the economy should keep tracking the second half of 2025 into 2026, with tariff effects fading by midyear and last summer’s tax bill turning more supportive.
On inflation and the labor market, the guest said the Fed cannot ease up while inflation is still running above target for too long. He argued that labor conditions are being reshaped by AI, corporate right-sizing after the pandemic, and potential changes in labor supply from immigration shifts, making the outlook harder to read. Because official jobs data are delayed, he said it may take until April or May to get clear signals. He also pushed back on criticism that the Fed has lost credibility or strayed from its mission, saying banks need risk oversight and that policymakers should stay data-dependent and focused on getting inflation back to 2%.
Key takeaways
- The guest said business and consumer sentiment is cautious but resilient, not collapsing, after a year of tariff-related uncertainty.
- The guest expects the economy to keep following the second-half-2025 pattern through 2026, with tariff effects fading by midyear and fiscal support kicking in.
- The guest said inflation remains too high for too long, so the Fed should keep policy restrictive until prices return to 2%.
- The guest said the labor market is being distorted by AI adoption, post-pandemic right-sizing, and possible immigration-driven supply changes.
- The guest said it may take until April or May before labor data provide a clear read on the economy.
- The guest rejected claims of mission creep, saying bank supervision is about making sure every bank alive today is alive tomorrow.
Notable quotes
“I think the sentiment is one cautious optimism. But I put emphasis on the cautious as opposed to the optimistic”
“I think it means that the that we've seen for the second half of 2025, we will continue to see through 2026”
“For me, no. You know, I think we've been in a situation where inflation has been too high for too long”
“My team tells me it'll be April or May before we start to be able to draw clear signals from from the data”
“What I know is that there are a lot of families that are precarious and feeling very uncertain about the prospects for the future”
How the episode opens
We're speaking with the Atlanta Fed president Raphael Bostic, who is retiring at the end of this month. So this is sort of your HR exit interview. Mike, it's always good to see you.
I want to ask you, as you travel around your district for the past year, what's the mood like among companies and consumers? We've seen the surveys show that people are getting very, very pessimistic. - Well, I'd say it runs in two ways.
So, first of all, what has been true throughout the last year is a tremendous amount of resilience on the part businesses and consumers. You know, April 2nd, when the tariffs were announced at very high levels, that put everyone back on their heels and there was a lot of uncertainty. And what's happened through the year is, people have figured out ways to deal with that uncertainty.
So as for today, I think most businesses and most households are not thinking that the worst of the possible outcomes are going to happen. They're not sure they can get to best ones. But everyone's trying to find a state where they can get through So I think the sentiment is one cautious optimism.
But I put emphasis on the cautious as opposed to the optimistic, I think people are really trying to wait and see what happens. - Well, what do you think that means for the economy? Well, I think it means that the that we've seen for the second half of 2025, we will continue to see through 2026.
And, you know, I talked to a lot folks in the last six weeks or so, and they said, we think our experiences in October, November and December And then there are some reasons And then there are some reasons why they think it might actually get stronger, You know, the tariffs, people have gotten used to those.
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Topics
- gold volatility
- sovereign debt
- gold market outlook
- australian miners
- western australia mining
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Brookings Institution
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