Episode summary
Wall Street Week | Inflation Meets AI, Navy Buildout Challenges, Tariff Refund Fight
Wall Street Week
· · 57 min · Guests: Loretta Mester, Blair Effron
Summary
The episode opens on inflation, where a former Cleveland Fed president argues the U.S. still has an inflation problem because prices have been above the Fed’s 2% goal for more than 5 years. She says the Federal Reserve may need to raise rates a bit further if current policy is not restrictive enough, and warns that AI-related investment is already adding upward price pressure even if it could become disinflationary later. She also says the labor market looks balanced overall, though slower payroll growth and weaker job prospects for some younger workers remain a concern.
The second segment examines President Trump’s push for a larger “Golden Fleet” and whether U.S. shipyards can deliver. Shipbuilders, Navy officials and analysts say the biggest constraints are labor shortages, supply-chain bottlenecks, late funding, design changes and bureaucracy. The piece argues that predictable orders, on-time appropriations and fewer requirement changes matter as much as money if the Navy wants to build ships faster and more reliably.
Later, a tariff refund fight shows the aftermath of the Supreme Court’s rejection of Trump’s IEEPA tariffs. Small businesses say the tariffs disrupted cash flow, pricing and innovation, while refunds are still flowing slowly through customs and third-party importers. The final interview says AI is distorting markets more than corporate strategy, with capital spending surging and companies trying to keep up without overcommitting. The guest also says New York City remains strong, but the Democratic Party is split between moderate goals and more progressive policy instincts.
Key takeaways
- The former Fed president says inflation is still above target and the FOMC may need to consider higher rates if policy is not restrictive enough.
- She says AI is currently inflationary through component prices, even if it could eventually become a disinflationary force.
- The shipbuilding segment says labor shortages, late funding and design churn are the main obstacles to Trump’s Golden Fleet plan.
- A small-business advocate says only $71 billion of the $166 billion in IEEPA tariffs had been refunded five months after the Supreme Court ruling.
- Blair Effron says AI is distorting markets more than the C-suite, with investors demanding returns on enormous capital spending.
- Effron says New York City remains economically robust, but the Democratic Party faces an intraparty struggle over moderation versus progressive change.
Notable quotes
“I do think right now it's an inflationary issue. And the question is how long will that last”
“-One of the biggest limitations is labor. Shipbuilding depends on skilled workers like welders, electricians and pipe fitters”
“-We need to get funding on time to get the suppliers started”
“The bigger question is, is the economy? And that's what CEOs always think about”
How the episode opens
David Westin: This is "Wall Street Week. I'm David Westin bringing you stories of capitalism. President Trump wants to build what he calls a golden fleet to transform the U.S.
Navy. What will it take to get it done? Are U.S.
shipbuilders up to the task? And can the government stay the course this time? Plus, it's one thing to charge $166 billion in tariffs.
It's quite another to give it all back. The continuing saga of President Trump's IEEPA tariffs and whether Humpty Dumpty can ever really be put back together again. And Blair Effron of Centerview Partners takes us through what the AI rush is doing to American companies and the deals they are trying to make.
Is there anything left for the rest of us? But we start with the global concern over inflation in a week that gave us new CPI numbers and Chair Warsh's first testimony on Capitol Hill. Are we facing higher long-term interest rates?
How much of it comes from that AI rush? And what does it mean for Western economies if we can't get back to that magical 2 percent target? Loretta Mester was president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland and now holds positions at both Penn's Wharton School and Princeton.
We got new inflation numbers out this week, which were not as bad as they had been in the past. But there has been a growing concern, I think, about longer-term inflation. Where are we?
-Well, inflation's been above the 2% goal of the Fed for over 5 years. So we do have an inflation problem. I think it remains to be seen whether where interest rates are today are enough, right, to actually move inflation back down.
I think the question the FOMC is going to have to ask itself is, do we need to raise interest rates a bit in order to add restrictiveness to the economy to bring inflation down?
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- inflation narrative
- navy buildout
- tariff refunds
- ai investing
- small business debt relief
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Centerview Partners
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