Episode summary

It's a bull market and nobody drinks anymore. | TCAF 255

Ask The Compound · · 1 hr 4 min · Hosts: Josh Brown, Michael Batnick · Guests: Todd Sohn

It's a bull market and nobody drinks anymore. | TCAF 255 – Ask The Compound

Summary

Todd Sohn argues that ETFs have entered a new industrial phase: launch costs are so low that issuers can flood the market with products, and failure is cheap enough to ignore. He says 2026 is already on pace for roughly 900 new funds, with the biggest growth coming from thematic, leveraged, buffer, and option-income ETFs rather than plain-vanilla core funds. The host and Michael Batnick keep returning to the idea that distribution and branding matter as much as the idea itself, but Todd’s view is that the market is increasingly winner-take-most inside each niche.

He sees a real business model forming around lower-fee copycat products, especially in leveraged and thematic funds, and thinks incumbents will be forced to cut prices. He also expects prediction-market ETFs to become a big category if regulators allow them, because heavy favorites may have structural edge in betting lines. He says buffer and option-income products are being pulled by aging investors who want yield and downside protection, which makes the category sticky.

The episode also covers the unusual strength in sports-franchise valuations, the persistence of trillions in retail money-market cash, and why healthcare, energy, small caps, and crypto are each sending different signals. Todd’s broader point is that this is a healthy bull-market environment where capital keeps searching for new wrappers, new exposures, and new ways to package familiar risks.

Key takeaways

  • Todd Sohn says 2026 is shaping up to be another record ETF launch year, with roughly 900 new funds already year to date.
  • He argues that thematic and leveraged ETFs are increasingly competing on price and distribution, not just on product design.
  • Todd says buffer and option-income ETFs are sticky because older investors want yield and downside protection.
  • He thinks prediction-market ETFs are likely to emerge once regulators open the door, because heavy favorites can be structurally mispriced.
  • Todd says retail money-market balances near $3 trillion may stay parked unless rates fall much further or markets correct sharply.

Notable quotes

“I've never seen this many ETFs launched. It's nuts. Okay. Busier than ever”

— Todd Sohn at 18:42

“a billion is the new 100 million”

— Todd Sohn at 37:32

“I think by the end of the decade, it's not unreasonable”

— Todd Sohn at 27:46

“You don't want NBA teams being flipped. Now, I know there's extenduating circumstances”

— A speaker on Ask The Compound at 11:50

How the episode opens

So Todd, this is like a year for you on set. I — I'm a year is perfect. Even if it was two years, I don't care. Like — Wait, what are we talking about here? I'm saying I'm saying 2026 has been a year since the last time you were on the show.

No, you guys. — No, I meant 2026 like ETF of Palooa. — Oh my god. — Like you are having a moment. — It's not. — You is the biggest launch year by ticker. — Uh 900 funds year to date — And we're going to

900 new ETFs. Yeah. — Yeah. — We're going to pass last year pretty soon. — Well, last year was a thousand. — Last year was like 1,100 maybe. — Dude, — I wish a third of them were levered, which we'll get into. — I don't know that this is uh I don't know that this is temporary.

I don't Well, unless you get a really bad bare market. — Well, yeah, sure. — No, it's not temporary cuz it the cost of launching is is much lower, — Right? — Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like a It's like — And the cost of maintaining a fund that doesn't catch on. ETFs have turned into Napster or just like, "Hey, come to my shed where I have a recording studio and we'll lay down the tracks and do it for you, everything else for you."

It's like a mix track. — Yeah. — Like everyone, you just make one for your friends. You — And you ship it out. — I was involved in two ETF launches this year in in the same — Oh, yes. — In the same week.

In the same week.

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Topics

  • etf boom
  • thematic and leveraged etfs
  • buffer and option-income etfs
  • ai and compute as investing themes
  • crypto and small caps

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • Baird Strategas

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