Episode summary
Too Early to Get Off the Wave | TCAF 248
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· · 1 hr 4 min · Hosts: Michael Batnick, Josh Brown · Guests: Ryan Detrick, Sonu Varghese
Summary
The conversation argues that the market’s AI and semiconductor surge still looks supported by earnings and breadth, even if parts of the trade feel crowded. The guests say this is not the same as the 2021 bubble because the current move is tied to real capex, real profit growth, and a broad rotation beneath the surface. They point to Micron’s explosive results, the rise in information-technology spending as a share of GDP, and the idea that semis are becoming less cyclical or at least less easily discounted by investors.
A major theme is that the Bull market is older than many expect and can keep running because leadership keeps shifting. The guests say the Mag 7 slowdown may actually be bullish if other groups like industrials, financials, small caps, and regional banks keep advancing. They also note that market breadth has improved even on weak index days, which they take as a constructive sign.
They spend time on the Fed’s communication style, contrasting Greenspan’s opacity with today’s more talkative central bank. On inflation and gold, the guests say higher real yields have pressured gold and may also constrain parts of the AI trade, but they do not see a clear reason to abandon equities. Equity issuance, buyback shrinkage, and crowded trades are treated as risks, yet not enough to call a top right now.
Key takeaways
- The guests say the current AI/semiconductor boom is backed by earnings and capex, not just speculation, with Micron’s growth cited as a key example.
- They argue the bull market can persist because leadership is rotating from the Mag 7 into industrials, financials, small caps, and regional banks.
- They see improving breadth as a bullish sign, especially on days when the S&P 500 is weak but more stocks are advancing than declining.
- The guests say higher real yields have hurt gold and may also be a headwind for parts of the trade.
- They think crowded positioning is real, but not yet enough to justify calling the market a bubble or exiting equities.
- The guests say more equity issuance and fewer buybacks could matter for multiples, but the cash is also being redeployed into real investment and profits.
Notable quotes
“these bull markets last longer than you think”
“the market is basically at an all-time high. I cannot possibly think of a more bullish development”
“We just had a bubble that popped”
“The market is saying no right now”
How the episode opens
All right. Who's winning in the World Cup? Because I have no idea. Like where? — Maybe France. — No, but like where does the st Where are the standings? Because teams have been knocked out already, right? — Yeah. Uh about five or six have been knocked out.
Wow. Already? — Yeah. Yeah. — All right. So, who's Wow. — Who's in contention for like to to stay in the whole thing, do you think? — I I think it's several. Like it's a round of 32. So, you have 32 out of what? 48 teams.
Okay. — Still in the mix. But the ones that matter — Is the final. — Do they give you the locations of where like the final final games are going to be? — Yeah, the finals going to be here in Jersey. Metife.
Oh boy. I'll be I'll be sure to get the hell out of here. — Yes. If it's anything like today. — That's tire thumper weather. — Yeah. — So last night we we we ran around New York. Had fun. We went to dinner. He goes back to the room. I'm working on stuff for the show and different things.
You went straight to Flash Dance. — Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. What's that? — Bro, I have friends that saw you there. Go on. — That's an AI image of you, Josh. It's not the real Ryan. Um, and then I was talking, what did you do last night? He was literally watching like soccer documentaries at midnight last night. Okay. So, I mean, I was like I thought about watching. I mean, you really were right.
He's a man of culture. — Exactly. — He's a man of culture and taste. — Right.
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- fed and inflation
- market rotation
- ai capex and semiconductors
- small caps and regional banks
- bitcoin and gold
Companies and tickers mentioned
- MU
- Micron
- Carson Group
- SpaceX
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