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The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire and the Byzantine Empire | Lex Fridman Podcast #498
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· · 3 hr 52 min · Hosts: Lex Fridman · Guests: Anthony Kaldellis
Summary
Anthony Kaldellis argues that what is usually called the Byzantine Empire should simply be understood as the continuing Roman Empire, because its people, laws, and political identity remained Roman long after the western half fell. He frames Roman history as an unusually long political story, from kings to republic to imperial monarchy, with major transitions that unfolded gradually rather than in neat breaks.
A major theme is how the empire held together. Kaldellis says Roman rule depended less on raw force than on a stable public persona: emperors claimed to work tirelessly for subjects, answer petitions, protect rights, and act for the common good. He argues that this rhetoric was not just empty propaganda; in the East Roman Empire, rulers often had to live up to it because they were vulnerable to rebellion, coups, and civil war.
The discussion also emphasizes Caracalla’s 212 AD citizenship edict, which Kaldellis treats as a real turning point because it extended Roman citizenship broadly across the empire and made provincial elites fully part of the Roman political community. From there, he moves into the Crisis of the Third Century and Diocletian’s response: a larger, more organized state, shared imperial rule, and reforms meant to stabilize a system under intense pressure.
Key takeaways
- Kaldellis says the so-called Byzantine Empire was legally and culturally the Roman Empire continuing unbroken.
- He argues the Roman state endured because emperors projected a consistent persona of accountability, diligence, and public service.
- The 212 AD Constitutio Antoniniana mattered because it made provincial subjects full Roman citizens, and the empire meant it in practice.
- The Crisis of the Third Century showed how fragile imperial rule was, with 26 emperors murdered in 50 years.
- Diocletian’s response was to expand and reorganize government, turning a political crisis into a new imperial structure.
Notable quotes
“the Eastern Roman Empire is a military dictatorship. Even though, again, the emperors control the armies, and the armies themselves will often have a say”
“what we've been calling the Byzantine Empire is something other- ... than the Roman Empire, because all of our sources are very clear about this”
“26 emperors were murdered in a period of 50 years. - Yes. It's tremendous instability”
How the episode opens
- We're talking about a society that was right in the middle of one of the main corridors of empire building and new religions in the world. This is the most dangerous neighborhood that you can possibly live in. - 26 emperors were murdered in a period of 50 years.
- Yes. It's tremendous instability. - Almost all were of these emperors were generals, and almost all were murdered by their men.
So civil war was the norm, hyperinflation, economic crash, plus there's a plague. There's just a lot of chaos. - Here's why I don't think the Eastern Roman Empire is a military dictatorship.
Even though, again, the emperors control the armies, and the armies themselves will often have a say in, Who becomes emperor, like through the civil wars that we mentioned. The reason why I don't think it's a military dictatorship is because they almost never, very, very, very rarely use the army as an instrument of social control. Sometimes these eunuchs were extremely competent like Narses, Justinian's general, who defeated the Goths in Italy in this massive battle.
Like, this guy was a total hardass. And he's this little old man. He was- he was very old, and he was tiny, and he was a eunuch, and the Goths laughed at him, but he had the last laugh.
- The following is a conversation with Anthony Kaldellis, a historian of the Eastern Roman Empire, also known as the Byzantine Empire. This is a Lex Fridman podcast. To support it, please check out our sponsors in the description, where you can also find links to contact me, ask questions, give feedback, and so on.
And now, dear friends, here's Anthony Kaldellis. You've described that the Byzantine Empire is the Roman Empire, that calling it the Byzantine Empire is an invention of historians writing long after the empire has collapsed, that the people of that time considered themselves Romans, and that the so-called Byzantine Empire never actually existed, that it was, in every legal and cultural sense, the Roman Empire continuing unbroken.
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- roman empire
- byzantine empire
- civil war
- christianity
- arab conquests
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