Episode summary
No Relief Until 2027—Then Stocks Face Reset | Peter Berezin
The David Lin Report
· · 39 min · Hosts: David Lin · Guests: Peter Berezin
Summary
Peter Berezin argues that the market is still being supported by an AI capex boom, but that boom is also setting up a later reset. He says AI companies may need around $10 trillion in annual revenue to justify the data-center buildout, and that stocks could peak before capex does, with a 2027 equity peak possible if spending peaks in 2028. For now, he is neutral on stocks and still recommends roughly a benchmark equity allocation, but he thinks margins, valuations, and financing conditions are the key risks ahead.
On rates and inflation, Berezin says oil is only part of the bond-yield story. He points to elevated diesel prices, high crack spreads, and the broader effect of AI investment demand on rates. In his view, higher yields are not yet restrictive enough to break the economy, but if they keep rising the slowdown risk grows. He expects relief in oil to be limited this year and says the Iran conflict remains a source of instability.
He also argues that consumer weakness reflects a K-shaped economy: higher-income households are still spending, while most consumers are strained by stagnant real income, mortgage rates, and high fuel costs. Longer term, he sees a different thematic opportunity in reproductive technology and IVF as fertility rates fall and governments try to reverse demographic decline.
Key takeaways
- Berezin says AI capex is the main upward force on yields, more important than the Iran conflict, because investment demand has surged and savings behavior has shifted.
- He thinks the AI boom can continue for 12 to 24 months, but stocks could peak in 2027 if capex peaks in 2028.
- He warns that the real valuation risk is in margins: if AI-era profit margins normalize, the S&P 500's forward P/E could look much higher than 19x.
- Berezin says higher oil prices are still feeding through diesel and crack spreads, keeping consumer pressure elevated even if crude shipping volumes normalize.
- He sees a long-term bull case for reproductive tech and IVF as governments respond to falling fertility rates.
- He is not bullish enough to chase equities aggressively, preferring a neutral stance and a benchmark allocation.
Notable quotes
“AI companies will need to generate something in the order of 10 trillion dollars in annual revenue to justify all the capex that they're putting into data centers”
“I think most of the story really has to do about the fact that we're in the midst of a massive AI capex boom”
“So I do think that from the perspective of where margins are there is a lot of risk to stocks”
“Historically stocks have peaked before the capex peaks. So if the capex peaks maybe in 2028, stocks could peak in 2027”
How the episode opens
AI companies will need to generate something in the order of 10 trillion dollars in annual revenue to justify all the capex that they're putting into data centers. So if the capex peaks maybe in 2028, stocks could peak in 2027. So the size of the shock could be larger and the policy response more muted, that's a recipe for a weaker economy.
People around the world, especially in the West, want to know when relief is coming from higher oil prices, higher interest costs, and perhaps a slowing economy. and we're here with Peter Barrison, chief global strategist at BCA Research, discussing exactly that. Welcome back, Peter. Good to see you.
Good to be back.
It's an interesting time when stock markets are at near all-time highs. Business activity um is growing. PMI is still above 50, but we have consumer confidence according to many surveys, including the M University of Michigan survey, at near record historic lows since they've been doing this um in the last couple of decades.
This is worse than COVID. It's worse in 2008. It's worse than the talk tech bubble burst in 2000.
Why are consumers feeling so despondent right now at a time when markets are still soaring and businessto business development according to some manufacturing data is still growing as well.
Well, we have a K-shaped economy. Real personal disposable income has barely grown since liberation day. So, consumers aren't seeing uh increases in their take-home pay. Uh, yes, stock prices have gone up, and that's great if you own a lot of stock, but most people don't. For most people, the house is their number one asset, and home prices aren't rising anymore. If if anything, the housing market has become increasingly strained by rising mortgage rates.
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Topics
- ai boom
- stock reset
- bond yields
- oil prices
- ai bust risk
Companies and tickers mentioned
- BCA Research
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