Episode summary
The Disruption Scorecard | Barron's Streetwise
Barron's Streetwise
· · 29 min · Hosts: Jack
Summary
The host scores a set of corporate disruption attempts using a custom one-to-five Schumpeter scale, arguing that some are credible threats while others are overstated or still too early. Disney’s push against IMAX gets the highest mark in the group because a new premium format could give studios and theaters an alternative premium screen standard and pressure IMAX’s fee power.
SpaceX’s push into wireless spectrum gets a lower score because the host thinks Starlink can be a useful dead-spot specialist, but not a true Verizon or AT&T killer without an enormous, likely impractical buildout. By contrast, the host says health-care disruption attempts by Amazon and Walmart have largely failed, with closed health centers and telehealth efforts showing the limits of retail players in primary care.
The last and most important case is Capital One’s takeover of Discover. Brian Foran says the deal could let Capital One internalize more of its own payments volume, improve economics, and slowly build a credible competitor to Visa and Mastercard, though acceptance expansion will take years. He says the debit migration has already produced over a billion dollars of synergy, but credit card network gains should be gradual and investors are still waiting to see the benefits show up in the P&L.
Key takeaways
- The host gives Disney versus IMAX four schumps, saying a rebranded premium large-format standard could pressure IMAX on fees and improve bargaining power for studios and theaters.
- SpaceX gets only two and a half schumps because Brian Foran and the host see Starlink as a dead-spot specialist, not a full Verizon or AT&T replacement.
- Amazon and Walmart’s health-care disruption efforts get one and a half schumps, with the host citing failed ventures like Haven, Amazon Care, and Walmart health centers.
- Brian Foran says Capital One’s Discover deal could take 5 to 10 years to fully build out on the credit side, even though debit migration has already created over a billion dollars of synergy.
- Foran says Capital One is a credible competitor to Visa and Mastercard, but not one that is shaking their dominance yet.
Notable quotes
“Health care remains a disruptor graveyard”
“on our estimates, that's already produced over a billion dollars of synergy”
“It's probably a 5 to 10-year journey, and I think it'll be more incremental on the credit”
“it's a credible new competitor in the same way Amex is a credible competitor”
How the episode opens
So, it's a big disconnect. You know, you talk to a bank management team right now and they're like, "Hey, life's good. Loans are growing, deposits are growing, returns are 17%. You know, things are about as good as they can be." And then you talk to investors and they're like, "Well, yeah, that's the problem. They're about as good as they get."
Hello and welcome to the Barron's Streetwise podcast. I'm Jack Hough and the voice you just heard is Brian Foran. He's an analyst at Truist Securities covering banks and credit card companies.
In a moment, he'll give us an update on how Capital One is doing since its takeover last year of Discover and why he thinks the stock has 50% upside. There's a broader focus here on disruption. As we'll hear, Capital One is taking a shot at the payments duopoly of Visa and Mastercard.
We'll also look at disruption attempts by SpaceX, and Disney, and Amazon. It's a disruption scorecard special. Let's get into it.
Listening in is our audio producer Emily Soman. Hi, Emily.
Hi, Jack. — Do you know anyone who's had a tooth pulled at Walmart? — No, but I did knock my permanent front tooth out in a tubing accident in fifth grade. So, it was kind of like getting it removed at Walmart.
Oh, no. What grade was that? — Fifth grade. I had just gotten it, too. Fresh with the permanent tooth. — I'm so worried about that for my kids. I beg them to wear mouthguards when they play sports because somebody's losing a front tooth at some point. I'm I'm sorry I'm sorry that happened to you. That was a tubing accident?
Yes, you could be a wimpy theater kid like me and still lose it.
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- disruption scorecard
- corporate insurgencies
- schump scale
- banking analysis
- capital one
Companies and tickers mentioned
- AMZN
- COF
- SpaceX
- Amazon
- Capital One
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