Episode summary
$3.6B Investor on Relationships, Contrarian Bets & Compounding
How I Invest With David Weisburd
· · 59 min · Hosts: David Weisburd · Guests: Rick Heitzmann
Summary
Rick Heitzmann argues that venture outcomes are built less on brand or capital than on compounding relationships, especially in a dense market like New York. He describes FirstMark’s “guilds” as a way to turn a network into a problem-solving system, helping founders get faster answers, better intros, and more trust across hiring, customers, and financing. He also says the best investors use relationships not just to source and win deals, but to validate ideas and help companies see around corners.
Heitzmann makes the case that the biggest venture wins often begin as contrarian bets that look odd early and obvious later. He points to Shopify, Airbnb, DraftKings, Riot Games, StubHub, and Pinterest as examples where market timing, network effects, and strong founders mattered more than initial consensus. In his view, great founders can rescue a shaky idea, but the idea still needs to fit a durable mega-trend.
He also sees AI as a major catalyst for consumer investing rather than a replacement for it. He expects consumer products built on AI to emerge around dating, travel, sports, and community, while in-person experiences, events, and real-world connection continue to grow as a countertrend to digital isolation.
Key takeaways
- Rick Heitzmann says relationships are the strongest compounder in venture because they improve sourcing, diligence, recruiting, and customer access all at once.
- Heitzmann believes FirstMark’s guilds create “information alpha” by routing specific questions to the right experts inside a large network.
- He says the best venture returns often come from contrarian ideas that are backed before they look obvious, as with Shopify, Airbnb, and Riot Games.
- Heitzmann argues that AI will accelerate consumer products, especially in dating, travel, sports, and community-driven experiences.
- He says great founders can turn a bad idea into a great company, but the investor still needs a clear thesis and a real mega-trend.
Notable quotes
“Clearly relationships because the world seems to get smaller every day”
“The more specific the vertical, the less people know the right answer to questions and the more niche, the more the community matters”
“Your LPs want you to be contrarian but also right”
“we think that's kind of a key archetype”
“Double down on those relationships. Double down on the people you think are excellent and double down on the people that treated you well”
How the episode opens
Over 20 years as an investor, what's compounded more for you? Capital, relationships, or brand? — Clearly relationships because the world seems to get smaller every day. Especially here in New York City where you have the ability to to start very small, but the same people keep showing up again and again as investors, as entrepreneurs, as operators, and as friends. and having those network effects especially within a given geography is clearly the best compounder.
Maybe give me an example of how relationships have compounded in your career. So especially going back to early in my career being based in New York City, the ability there was a very small ecosystem in a very small community. When we started first market was 2005, New York City was the seventh biggest venture market not growing very quickly was largely seen as fintech maybe a little bit of adtech in Madison Avenue but not necessarily explosive.
And what we were able to see is we're able to fit the entire community in our little office and there weren't many people out there that were doing it. But those people that were in that little office, we're still in touch with today. They send us deals.
Some of those people have matured. They become CEOs. Early days of Double Click, I think that DoubleClick alumni network has produced something like 40 CEOs.
If you talk about referencing people from that era, you could always lean on that doubleclick ad network which then became part of the Google network which then became part of a broader ecosystem. And as ecosystems build, everyone's always touching on each other. And that network just becomes stronger and stronger.
And it's self-reinforcing. At first mark, we have a thing called guilds and those are all the people around our ecosystem and we have a onetoone relationship with them.
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Topics
- b2b venture capital
- enterprise software
- data advantage
- compliance and risk
- marketing tech and recurring revenue
Companies and tickers mentioned
- FirstMark Capital
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