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Will Vertical AI Disrupt OpenAI, Anthropic, and Grok?

How I Invest With David Weisburd · · Hosts: David Weisburd · Guests: Nick Beim

Will Vertical AI Disrupt OpenAI, Anthropic, and Grok? – How I Invest With David Weisburd

Summary

Nick Beim argues that the most compelling AI opportunities are increasingly in vertical applications, not broad horizontal platforms. His core thesis is that context, workflow access, and proprietary data matter more than raw model intelligence, making vertical software harder for the big LLM labs to displace and often better at solving real problems.

He applies that framework to wealth management, where he sees broken legacy custody systems, poor point solutions, and unusually attractive economics. At the same time, he says advisors remain central because clients want human trust and contextual judgment, especially when financial decisions are high-stakes and tax-sensitive. He expects AI to power more personalized tax-aware investing, synthetic products, and better asset-location tools.

Beim is also bullish on legal tech and defense. He says law is especially suitable for generative AI because it is language- and knowledge-driven, while legal costs suppress many valid claims today. In defense, he argues that warfare is shifting toward low-cost autonomous systems, software-driven intelligence, and attritable drones, which opens room for new entrants even as traditional primes remain locked into cost-plus models. Across venture, he stresses founder quality, truth-seeking, and avoiding pattern recognition when investing in truly disruptive companies.

Key takeaways

  • Nick Beim thinks vertical AI beats horizontal LLMs because context and workflow access are the real drivers of performance.
  • He says wealth management is attractive because the technology is bad, the industry is highly profitable, and advisors remain essential.
  • Beim expects AI to accelerate tax-aware investing with more personalized, after-tax optimization built from individual securities.
  • He argues legal tech still has room for major winners because AI can reduce the cost of discovery and reveal more legal work worth pursuing.
  • Beim says defense is moving toward low-cost autonomous systems and software-centric intelligence, which favors new entrants over cost-plus primes.

Notable quotes

“I think some of the most interesting investments are going to be in vertical AI applications”

— Nick Beim

“when you look what drives AI performance, it's context. So general intelligence is interestingly getting commoditized”

— Nick Beim

“The advisors are absolutely central to wealth management”

— Nick Beim at 5:34

“AI will provide very powerful new tools. But I think also you're going to see different kinds of financial products”

— Nick Beim at 10:02

“I think legal in legal tech there'll be a litigation winner. There'll be a general purpose tool winner”

— Nick Beim at 10:02

How the episode opens

Tell me about what you're most excited about today.

I'm most excited about vertical AI applications. I think the first inning of AI innovation, we've seen broad horizontal platforms, the big LLM labs achieve extraordinary things and they're starting to shift their focus from just providing an LLM to getting into horizontal applications. I think some of the most interesting investments are going to be in vertical AI applications.

And the reason I think vertical is so interesting is twofold. one is more defensible. Uh it's very difficult for those horizontal platforms to get access to all the workflow and data in a vertical application and many of the vertical application incumbents and and uh major customers are very reluctant to give their data to these AI labs.

But the second and maybe the more interesting reason is when you look what drives AI performance, it's context. So general intelligence is interestingly getting commoditized. But when you apply that intelligence to a particular vertical where you've got really rich idiosyncratic context, the performance can go through the roof.

And

I sometimes get upset with my LMS because I ask the LM a question, gives me an answer, two months later I realize that it was the wrong context or I didn't ask the right question. There's a contra there's a counter thesis to what you're saying which is that the horizontal LLMs will disrupt the vertical application of AI. Does it really come down to the proprietary information?

Is there more to it? Why why won't the large LM players disrupt the vertical AI players?

It's a few things I think. First, they've got a lot to do. They got a lot of their plate already to in this sort of commoditization struggle. They're all investing a lot to try to get incremental improvements in their core models better and they can't devote all their attention to trying to win every application category they can.

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Topics

  • vertical ai
  • llm limitations
  • wealth management tech
  • legal tech
  • defense ai

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • GS
  • OpenAI
  • Anthropic
  • xAI
  • Venrock
  • McKinsey & Company
  • Goldman Sachs Group

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