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Oracle and Oil Refiners. Plus, Pyramid Scheme or Nah? | Barron's Streetwise
Barron's Streetwise
· · 26 min · Hosts: Jack
Summary
The host fields listener questions about whether soaring S&P 500 earnings are being flattered by accounting gains on private-company stakes, how to think about the oil refining crack spread, what is behind Oracle’s sharp decline, and whether a crypto-and-AI “investment” promising 15% to 18% monthly returns is a scam. The central argument on the market-wide question is that reported earnings may be overstating underlying strength because some gains are nonrecurring and because AI capex is boosting revenues on one side while being capitalized on the other.
On oil refiners, the host says the 321 crack spread has risen sharply because of refinery attacks, shipping disruptions, and strong jet-fuel demand, which has helped names like Valero Energy. But he warns that investors should not assume a trading edge from understanding the spread alone; the harder task is predicting what happens next with refining capacity and demand.
On Oracle, the host and a guest discuss how the stock has become a proxy for OpenAI sentiment, with worries about a huge backlog, negative free cash flow, heavy AI capex, and competition from Anthropic and lower-cost open-weight models. The final question gets the clearest answer: 15% to 18% monthly returns are a major red flag, and the host says the pitch sounds like a pyramid scheme or worse.
Key takeaways
- The host says S&P 500 earnings may be “flattered” by mark-to-market gains on private-company stakes and by the accounting treatment of AI capex.
- He warns that the S&P 500’s 21.7x earnings multiple looks richer when compared with 33.6x free cash flow.
- The 321 crack spread is up sharply this year, and the host says oil refiners have benefited, with Valero Energy up 117% and a refiners ETF up 60%.
- On Oracle, the guest says the company has become a proxy for OpenAI, with roughly $640 billion of remaining performance obligations and almost half tied to one contract.
- The host says a promise of 15% to 18% monthly returns, plus slick promotional videos and pressure to invest $10,000, are major warning signs of a scam.
Notable quotes
“The 321 crack spread refers to the theoretical profit margin of turning three barrels of crude oil into two barrels of gasoline and one barrel of distillate”
“I think so. anything that's providing a one-time boost to earnings like that, it raises the possibility that if we're saying that the S&P 500 is, let's see, 21.7 times this year's projected earnings”
“To my mind, how these are things that go along with what you said. Maybe if earnings are on steroids, they're going to deflate down the road”
“they have this giant backlog now uh about $640 billion multi-year remaining performance obligations”
“I'm going to call BS. That's right. Baloney sandwiches because the numbers to me aren't numbering”
How the episode opens
Can you feel that excitement in the air, Emily? It's electric. What do you think that means? This is a This is a different kind of episode right now. What do you think? What do you think's coming up here?
I don't know, but I'm nervous and excited. — It It It's — Crap. My timer went off. Hold on. That really — Timer for what? — All right, that killed the suspense. But folks, it's a listener question special. All right, with a guy who forgot to mute his phone. Come on.
That was the thing we didn't see coming. — We've got four topshelf questions. What What are the topics we're going to be covering? I know one is Oracle and we're going to hear from a a Baron's pal about that one. Uh what are the other topics? We're going to be talking about potential pyramid schemes, oil crack spreads, and you try to dodge the dad humor allegations.
Well, that's not that's a separate matter, but yeah, let's get into it. Emily, who should we start with? I understand that we have a how and I'm a how, so maybe. But this one is a is a first name. How? Yes, we're going how for how for our first question. Uh, so he says, "Hi, Jack. I have enjoyed listening to your podcast since co. I'm about your age, so I enjoy your dad humor."
Let me just point out for the for the record. I Well, I appreciate that. And I don't want this to sound like sour grapes. Dad humor that that has a specific meaning. Those are that's if you're out there telling growners. Am I telling groaners? Is that what's happening here? If you're a dad who makes jokes, those are not automatically dad jokes.
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Topics
- listener questions
- oracle
- oil refiners
- dad jokes
- pyramid scheme
Companies and tickers mentioned
- ORCL
- Oracle
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