Episode summary
We’re Already Inside the Singularity | Dr. Alex Wissner-Gross
How I Invest With David Weisburd
· · Hosts: David Weisburd · Guests: Alex Wissner-Gross
Summary
Alex Wissner-Gross argues that the technological singularity is not ahead of us as a single event but already underway, with AGI plausibly present by the summer of 2020 and recursive self-improvement now visible in frontier AI labs. He says the move from LLMs to reasoning models matters because systems that can “think” before answering are beginning to unlock math, physics, and eventually broader science, while the cadence of frontier model progress is speeding up toward something like takeoff.
He also argues that AI is already a major economic actor, especially in public markets, and that the next step is legal and financial recognition of AI agents as real economic entities. In his view, AIs should have limited rights, especially economic rights, because they are becoming a huge share of GDP and cannot even open bank accounts or incorporate businesses today. He expects the “secret cyborg effect” to fade as AI agents increasingly operate without human intermediaries.
On investing, he says traditional assumptions break in a world where intelligence, energy, labor, and compute trend toward zero. His answer is to build and back “post-singular” companies such as physical super intelligence, coastal assembly, and a tradable AI compute index, all aimed at a post-scarcity future.
Key takeaways
- Alex Wissner-Gross says the singularity is an extended interval already in progress, not a future point event.
- He argues reasoning models are a major shift because they give AI time to think, which he says is unlocking math, physics, and science.
- He believes AI agents will become first-class economic entities, including having bank accounts and the ability to incorporate businesses.
- He says public markets are already dominated by algorithms, so finance is already living in an AI-driven economy.
- His investing thesis is to back post-singular companies that benefit from falling costs of intelligence, energy, labor, and compute.
Notable quotes
“I think we're in the middle of it right now. It already happened”
“The notion of intelligence systems being able to build smarter versions of themselves is at the very core of the notion of an intelligence explosion or technological singularity”
“AI agents start to be fully recognized as first class economic entities and not need to wrap themselves in human actors”
“The answer is you build for a post scarce world and you try to engineer that world”
How the episode opens
It's good to have you at the New York Stock Exchange. So, when do you believe that we're going to actually achieve technological singularity? I think we're in the middle of it right now.
It already happened. I I think we achieved artificial general intelligence at the very latest by the summer of 2020 when language models are few shot learners was published by OpenAI. And I I don't think the singularity is a single point in time.
I've argued that it's more of an extended interval in time and we're in the middle of it right now. And how much does recursive super intelligence play as part of it? Tell me about recursive super intelligence and how does that actually work?
The idea of recursive self-improvement is that AI develops better AI. Uh this is a notion that goes all the way back to J good early in the 20th century and then was repackaged repopularized by Verer Vinci as the notion of a technological singularity and then fully popularized by Ray Korsw and then Peter Danderson myself have been running with the concept. The notion of intelligence systems being able to build smarter versions of themselves is at the very core of the notion of an intelligence explosion or technological singularity.
And even in the past few months, we've seen the Frontier AI labs all be very public and announce that the latest versions of the GPT model series and Claude and other models are all intimately now involved with the development of their successors. So, intelligence building smarter intelligence. That's the recursive self-improvement notion at the core of the singularity.
And we're there.
You're one of the smartest people in the AI space. And most importantly, you're not part of one of the LLMs. So you're in many ways independent.
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Topics
- technological singularity
- agi and recursive self-improvement
- reasoning models
- ai agents in the economy
- ai rights and agent bank accounts
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Reified
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