Episode summary
Why Smart Investors Fear Liquidity Crises
How I Invest With David Weisburd
· · 30 min · Hosts: David Weisburd · Guests: Doug Hanly
Summary
Doug Hanly argues that liquidity is not idle cash but the portfolio’s “supply depots,” giving the Louisiana State Police Retirement System stability and the ability to buy when markets dislocate. He says the fund keeps roughly 12% in short-term government credit so it can meet obligations and avoid forced selling, citing hedge fund blowups like Long-Term Capital Management as the cautionary example.
His approach to crisis investing is deliberately simple: prepare in calm periods, educate stakeholders, and rebalance when rules are breached. When markets fall, he says the goal is not to predict bottoms but to avoid panic and deploy capital selectively into areas like distressed credit or strong regional banks when opportunities appear.
Hanly extends that philosophy to manager selection and portfolio construction. He prefers smaller specialists over large generalists, assumes managers do not have alpha until proven otherwise, and dislikes complexity that masks mediocre results. He also emphasizes culture, dissent, and process as forms of “structural alpha,” arguing that repeated small improvements, clear decision rules, and a disciplined information diet compound into durable outperformance.
Key takeaways
- Doug Hanly keeps roughly 12% of the $1.5 billion portfolio in short-term government credit because it creates liquidity, optionality, and protection in crises.
- He argues that the biggest mistake in a drawdown is trying to buy back too early and then being forced to sell at the bottom.
- Hanly prefers small specialist managers and assumes managers lack persistent alpha until they prove it with track record, process, and opportunity set.
- He says simplicity beats complexity because transparent, repeatable processes make it easier to understand what is working and build around it.
- The fund uses consultants as true partners, rewarding disagreement and killing weak ideas early to save time and improve decision quality.
Notable quotes
“our short-term government bonds serve that purpose. They are the supply depots of our portfolio. They give us stability, but they also give us a lot of optionality”
“Our null hypothesis when we look at a manager is that the manager does not have the skill and ability to generate alpha”
“simplicity creates that repeatability and reliability”
How the episode opens
Doug, last time we chatted, you said that one of your favorite asset classes in the world was government credit. Short-term 1 to threeyear credit. Why is that?
Yeah, I'm sure that's not an answer you get a lot. Uh, the reason why I like short-term government credit is because we really know what we're going to get. So, if we look at the early 1900s, the explorers, it was Omenson from Norway who got to the South Pole first.
The reason why he was successful is because every 20 miles he would leave these supply depots with a big bright red flag, clothing, extra food, supplies. That way, when the conditions changed, he was able to know where he was and and get redirected. Um, so our short-term government bonds serve that purpose.
They are the supply depots of our portfolio. They give us stability, but they also give us a lot of optionality and the ability to invest in higher returning things like small cap public equities involved with the AI trends or emerging market equities and things like that.
It's so interesting. I had this long conversation with Larry Kochard who is CIO of McKenna, UVA, Georgetown. And one of the things that we talked a lot about is the sustainability of the strategy.
In other words, if you have this strategy that's very high beta, that's highly volatile and maybe returning 10%. But every 3 four years you have to sell at a 20% discount via secondary because you're you don't have the right balance and your IC is pressuring on you. That's a far worse strategy.
Not only a far worse ride, but overall dollars and cents a much worse strategy than having something that's a little bit more diversified, less fragile, but actually gets executed.
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Topics
- liquidity crises
- short-term government credit
- portfolio construction
- governance
- simplicity over complexity
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Atala Financial
- Windrose Advisors
- Mass General Brigham
- Washington University Investment Management Company
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