Episode summary
It’s time for Kevin Warsh to step up as Fed chair
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· · 21 min · Hosts: Sarah Wheeler · Guests: Logan Mohtashami
Summary
Logan Mohtashami argues that Jackson Hole matters less as a policy pivot than as a credibility test for Kevin Worsh. He says a lot of the hawkish shift is already priced into markets, with the 10-year yield around 460 to 475, but Worsh still needs to sound steady and avoid signaling anything that would unsettle traders. In Logan’s view, the market is reacting more to Beth Hammock and Lori Logan than to Worsh himself, because they have already helped pull the Fed toward a more hawkish stance.
He also says Worsh is boxed in by Trump’s pressure, tariffs, and the broader conflict, which make it harder for the Fed to cut rates or talk dovishly without losing credibility. Logan frames this as an institutional problem: if inflation worsens, the Fed could end up hiking even without Worsh’s support, which would be a bad look for the chairman. His advice is for Worsh to speak briefly, reaffirm the Fed’s anti-inflation stance, and lead the committee instead of letting hawks define the narrative.
The discussion ends with the idea that the Fed chair must “step up” and reclaim control of the message. Logan says the market trusts Beth Hammock more than Worsh right now, but he still wants Worsh to act like the leader and restore confidence that the Fed is not being run by outside political pressure.
Key takeaways
- Logan Mohtashami says the market has already priced in much of the hawkish shift, with the 10-year yield around 460 to 475.
- Logan argues that Beth Hammock and Lori Logan matter more to markets than Kevin Worsh because they define the hawkish tone.
- Logan says Trump’s tariffs and conflict make it much harder for Worsh to steer the Fed toward lower rates.
- Logan warns that if inflation worsens, the Fed could raise rates even without Worsh, which would damage his credibility.
- Logan thinks Worsh should keep his Jackson Hole remarks short, firm, and focused on not letting inflation break out.
Notable quotes
“so much of the rate hikes are already priced in the market. So, it shouldn't be a surprise”
“Kevin Worsh wants to stay as quiet as possible and let the markets handle it”
“I think Beth Hammock is the deal. So you got to run with her more than Kevin Worsh”
“We're hanging around 460 to 475 on the 10-year yield”
“You got to step up and this is the time to do it. But do not let Beth Hammock run the Federal Reserve”
How the episode opens
Welcome everyone. I'm joined by my podcast partner lead analyst Logan Motoshami to talk about the Jackson Hole Symposium today and what Fed chair Kevin Walsh needs to do at this meeting. Before we dive in, here are the top five trending articles on housing.com.
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Then we have how the Iran conflict is impacting housing demand. And Lisa Cook's lawyer says Trump lacks legal basis to remove Fed governor. Finally, we have a sad one.
Remax co-founder Gail Lineer dies at 81. Our hearts go out to ReMax and everyone who knew Gail. Okay, we are ready for today's topic.
Logan, welcome back to the podcast. It is wonderful to be here and it's that time of the year again. Jackson Hole.
I had to make an AI of Kevin Wars at Jackson Hole surrounded by hawks.
It was so good. — Screaming hawks just, you know, screeching right in his ear and he's like,
It is what it is. I mean, of course, I'm hashtag the only person in America that was hashtag anyone would wash, but uh um we'll have to discuss how what what this means and what what matters going out because again for me so much of the rate hikes are already priced in the market. So, it shouldn't be a surprise.
But, uh it's getting to that next stage of where the Federal Reserve uh is thinking. So, this will be interesting because Kevin Worsh has said that um he doesn't want to do as much talking, but tomorrow he has to do talking. That's uh that's what he's there for, right?
The symposium. Um what do you think he's going to what what do you think the tone of his uh speech will be?
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Topics
- fed chair leadership
- jackson hole summit
- mortgage rates
- fed hawks
- mortgage policy
Companies and tickers mentioned
- RE/MAX
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